tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post3345933047264865648..comments2023-11-03T01:13:22.719-07:00Comments on The Rabbi Is IN with Rabbi Rami: Becoming a NoneUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-41398706410805126562009-03-24T15:23:00.000-07:002009-03-24T15:23:00.000-07:00Rabbi,I appreciate your comments. I find that orga...Rabbi,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your comments. I find that organised religion does not speak to me much anymore I am far more interested in HOW people live than what they believe in. Are they compassionate?, do they seek to understand themselves and others?<BR/><BR/>You and my friend Gordon, RealLivePreacher, should get together.kiwimachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01431785727957742793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-90630963444296345482009-03-14T11:33:00.000-07:002009-03-14T11:33:00.000-07:00I've been a none for about 16 years after close to...I've been a none for about 16 years after close to 30 of very involved fundamental christianity. I have all the community I want or need in the people I associate with on social levels and we often chat about spiritual things. I also love this blog for the way Rami presents thoughts and stimulates thinking. And I love reading, from Hafiz poetry to anything by Thomas Moore. Oh yeah, when I have the chance when in middle TN, I love going to temple Micah. The ritual of what they do is rich, the spirit and message are usually very contemporary and uplifting. I've never heard the word hell there either :) <BR/><BR/>I am grateful for the ability to create my collage of being a none instead of having to conform to any other label. <BR/><BR/>namaste :)Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15269945840171299234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-71328348476690751392009-03-12T21:09:00.000-07:002009-03-12T21:09:00.000-07:00Rami, thanks for the link to SBNR. I have to ask,...Rami, thanks for the link to SBNR. I have to ask, being the twice shy sort, what does the default $97/month go to? That's religion money, man!Peter Schogolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17881506847856345905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-62778533856891179802009-03-12T16:21:00.000-07:002009-03-12T16:21:00.000-07:00Patti: This might have a lot to do with where you'...Patti: This might have a lot to do with where you're starting from. I've never practiced anything resembling traditional religion, since I rejected the Orthodox / Conservative Judaism of my parents. <BR/><BR/>I practice a rather idiosyncratic blend of Jewish renewal and Neo-Paganism, so I guess when I join a Reconstructionist chavurah (basically a small Jewish worship group outside of a synogogue), I'm closer to affiliating as Jewish than I was. (;Aronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17416496332922933822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-37353504437282949882009-03-12T13:24:00.000-07:002009-03-12T13:24:00.000-07:00I totally mean I encourage my friends to allow the...I totally mean I encourage my friends to allow their children to have UNANSWERED questions. Gosh...nice proof reading!Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-8838292881948803032009-03-12T13:18:00.000-07:002009-03-12T13:18:00.000-07:00Aron,My sons are grown and both waited for me to j...Aron,<BR/>My sons are grown and both waited for me to join them on a less traditional path. We are together again, maybe for the first time! Roots are good for kids, but I would do it differently if I had the chance. I have lots of friends with small children and I encourage them to allow their kids to have some answered questions. It is good for the soul...even bitty ones.Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-45126962045110932432009-03-12T12:27:00.000-07:002009-03-12T12:27:00.000-07:00Errr, I meant far MORE than any dogma.Errr, I meant far MORE than any dogma.Aronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17416496332922933822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-34417515808425758592009-03-12T12:19:00.000-07:002009-03-12T12:19:00.000-07:00I find this interesting because I've always been c...I find this interesting because I've always been curious what people mean individually when they say they affiliate one way, let alone people creating a category for not affiliating at all.<BR/><BR/>Just to throw this out there, I wonder how many None's have children. Just as a father for about 5 years, my own desire to have a community to work with has defined my affiliation a bit, far less than any religious dogma.Aronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17416496332922933822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-44977842310661593002009-03-12T09:11:00.000-07:002009-03-12T09:11:00.000-07:00Firstly, when I read an article about people feeli...Firstly, when I read an article about people feeling less inclined to name a religious affiliation, I felt relieved. How else can we move on if we don’t let go of what might be holding us in place? I want to scream – “Religions let my people go!” The fact that more are escaping makes me happy. I guess my bias is screaming too. ;0)<BR/><BR/>I am a none. The question “What would your life look like if you found it?” is exactly why I knew I had to put my religion behind me. I wanted a different love.<BR/><BR/>The motivation behind salvation shoved me over the edge of religious free-falling. If salvation is the main focus of a faith system, then people are automatically either in or out. Our relationship with those people then becomes “How do we get them in?” rather than “What do they bring to the table?” We subconsciously focus on how to transform them into our likeness and never the other way around. <BR/><BR/>There was a time when I thought perfect love was desiring that everyone get to heaven. They also had to agree with my interpretation of the way to get there, and what it would be like blah blah blah and understand that I was entitled to crowns there; and I am not joking. <BR/><BR/>Not all Christians are this way. There are some who never slipped into the salvation as the end-all trap. My conjecture is that a problem with Christianity is that many have slipped and think their first love is eternity rather than reality, similarity rather than disparity, dogma rather than relationship.<BR/><BR/>That is not the person I wanted to be, but that is how I allowed Christianity to transform me. I wanted an alternative to the love salvation offers. I wanted to love people unconditionally, to value their value, and to feel connected in spite of our differences. Jumping off the christian cliff was frightening, but exhilarating. There was loosening in my soul. I could feel it. I was gaining on finding a different way to uphold people, but something was keeping me from crossing the love threshold. <BR/><BR/>As I became less afraid of my eternal living quarters I could entertain other ideas. Rami’s writings on finding the commonality in all faiths, that everything is part of God and we are all one, quieted the hate in my heart. I found the person whom I wanted to be and the potential of the life I want to live. I want my life to be one of caring for others because it is the right thing to do. I want to be able to feel love for others in the midst of them making me nuts. My Christianity did not provide the goal it promised “They will know we are Christians by our love.” It did not give me the life characterized by an unselfish love that allows others to be who they are. So I left.Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06099273924537238106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-42490644558357981012009-03-11T14:37:00.000-07:002009-03-11T14:37:00.000-07:00If you are a None why are you a None? What are you...<I>If you are a None why are you a None? What are you looking for as a None? What would your life look like if you found it?</I> <BR/><BR/>I'm a None because my tradition (Mormonism) clings to the remnants of bigotry, racism, sexism, an absolute insistence on literal interpretation of religious texts rather than studying them symbolically, and an annoying chauvinism.<BR/><BR/>Our imaginary friend is real, we are taught, and he's the coolest kid on the block. He made us better than all other peoples. The rest of you schlubs are poor unfortunates to be converted (converts have second class status, but they're still better than others), subhumans to be enslaved or enemies that we will someday massacre. He made women lesser than men, and their worth is purely located in their sexuality and ability to bear children. It's questionable whether you chicks even have souls. Possible you were simply automatons he made for our own selfish purposes. He made Blacks less than Whites, as a punishment for their cowardice in the pre-existence.<BR/><BR/>I suppose it's easy to be skeptical when the foundation of your tradition contains such stuff, which is easily refuted on a moment-to-moment basis simply by casual observation. It doesn't take too much critical thought to realize that not every Mormon is an angel, and many non-Mormons are much cooler than the self-appointed chosen tribe of North America.<BR/><BR/>Mormonism's foundation isn't any less ridiculous than the foundation which Protestants, Jews, Catholics and Muslims enjoyed, but most of the rest of you guys have reached a stage in your historical development where such artifacts are either reinterpreted or rewritten. Ours is a young tradition, and our god hasn't quite moved past his insecure adolescent phase yet. When he does, I'll return to the fold.Grégoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13610633478542798268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-62576486970912241592009-03-11T12:04:00.000-07:002009-03-11T12:04:00.000-07:00I just checked out the website, and, to be honest,...I just checked out the website, and, to be honest, I am not sure there is a difference between SBNR and other religious institutions. To be sure it is more inclusive than any one group that it welcomes wisdom from, but it has formed itself into a group of its own and is even doing fund raising. None of this is bad or good - neither do I see a real difference.Judyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00077690417475724041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18968172.post-53396811737401811522009-03-11T07:57:00.000-07:002009-03-11T07:57:00.000-07:00"If those self-proclaimed Nones are making their c...<I>"If those self-proclaimed Nones are making their choice based on a serious study of religion and an equally serious quest for spiritual maturity and wisdom, then, yes, I am applauding."</I><BR/><BR/>I am a None and this is why I have become one. I wrote about this yesterday so I'll post the link instead of rewriting it all here to answer some of the questions.<BR/><BR/>http://agod-sizedpuzzle.blogspot.com/2009/03/losing-my-religion.html<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>"How much community do you want and need?" </I> <BR/><BR/>I've been mainly communicating with other openly-minded (though not necessarily in the "None" category) people through blogs and forums. The problem is weeding through the folks that are preaching from a digital pulpit or are "spamming for Jesus" to find those that truly want to have a worthwhile online dialogue. <BR/><BR/>I haven't checked out sbnr.org yet but I'll give it a look.Eruessohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08685225014024766175noreply@blogger.com